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Amras1 · Aug 18, 2007, 11:25 PM // 23:25

For some reason i get the feeling that people dont like these skills, and prefer skills such as Galrath Slash over it. Why is this exactly? With R&DR you get a higher damage output, along with an attack block. Although the damage is not able to be targeted at one single target, the damage is still getting out there, and the adrenalin cost is reasonable. Anyone want to tell me whats so horrible about these skills?

Grumpy · Aug 18, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

In my personal experience, they aren't all that bad in a PvE environment when using something like Auspicious Parry, and spamming those while trying to tank. I wouldn't perfer a Riposte spamming warrior, but in PvE anything works.

PvP on the other hand, they just suck. Your damage should rely on someone having to hit you.

Stormlord Alex · Aug 18, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

They require something to actually be attacking you.
As a warrior, it doesn't happen much in PvP (and not near enough to warrant a skill slot); and it's pretty iffy in PvE, monster aggro is all over the place. There's better, more reliable skills you can bring.

If you're speccing in to Tactics, run Watch Yourself! instead. It's still a defensive skill, except it helps your party as well, thusly making it one of the best defensive skills available to a warrior.

karunpav · Aug 18, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

The thing wrong with those skills is it requires a melee enemy to be targeting you. Since the AI tends to target lower AL chars first, you aren't being targeted all that often. In addition, the Ripostes do shit against casters/Rangers/Paragons etc. but other attack skills can be used against anything.

EDIT: wtf Alex, you stole my explanation >_>

Stormlord Alex · Aug 18, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Well, you know...

Arkantos · Aug 18, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

I'd much rather be able to damage every type of enemy with a sword attack then damage a melee enemy when they attack me.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 18, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Deadly riposte/riposte is hax on a monk in RA, though.

VitisVinifera · Aug 19, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

auspicious parry -> ripose -> deadly riposte is how to farm most of the warrior, sin, and derv bosses

outside of that, only riposte is a skill worthy of taking outside of farming

samcobra · Aug 19, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

Riposte is a pve skill. You can run anything in pve so nobody cares.

jrk247 · Aug 19, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Riposte and Deadly Riposte are really only good for farming they aren't that reliable in PvP unless you're a monk and you know a melee class will go after you.

iridescentfyre · Aug 19, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by karunpav

The thing wrong with those skills is it requires a melee enemy to be targeting you. Since the AI tends to target lower AL chars first, you aren't being targeted all that often. In addition, the Ripostes do shit against casters/Rangers/Paragons etc. but other attack skills can be used against anything.

And to expand on that, anyone in PvP who is attacking you will see you Riposte and immediately stop attacking you if they have a brain. And in doing so, nullify two slots on your skill bar completely.

kazjun · Aug 20, 2007, 01:28 AM // 01:28

It's good for solo farming or if you're doing the old tank nuke strat, where you can get aggro so that the melee's target you. But outside of H/H or guildgroups I've found that most party's will be clinging right on your back and all melee aggro will go to the monks, eles and necs. Can work in nightfall though, all the dervs multi hit, so as long as you position yourself in the front arc of a derv attacking your backline you can still catch their attack.

Useless in pvp though, they'll just switch targets and leave you till they can get a non melee spike on you, and you've wasted two slots for a skill that only kills idiots or when your whole team is dead and it no longer matters. That being said, you could probably make some real annoying RA builds with it. And it probably works ok in AB as well.

martialis · Aug 20, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

The increase in damage, as well as your total damage, is so small as to be negligible. Galrath slash is pretty good at what it does, while Riposte does something completely different, and is bad. The effect of Galrath slash is good, even if the damage is weak, while the effect of Riposte is bad, so the small increase in damage doesn't matter.

A good way to see this is to enter the FoW with a party of noobs and compare the 2 types of skills.

In farming, every little bit helps, so you can use Riposte for that, but that doesn't make it strong.

Age · Aug 20, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

That is because they are more for defensive use other than attack in otherwords are antiwarrior skills.I used it agianst Shiro in faction without a ceslestial skills and worked great.

Darkpower Alchemist · Aug 21, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

The reasoning against the ripostes is that in PvP warriors don't clash in High End areas(GvG/HA/TA). Now, in AB, the ripostes rock! Taking Riposte alone is more than enough, since deadly has a recharge and riposte is adrenaline based.

[skill]Conjure Lightning[/skill][skill]Crippling Slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Standing Slash[/skill][skill]Riposte[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]Bull's Strike[/skill]

This is a dominating Warrior sword build for AB, heavy pressure+defense+conditions=GG in AB. 2 ways this can work, you can alternate EC for another warrior speed boost, and make for a cancel stance against flail, but that's not very needed in AB. B-Strike does that with the help of CS to snare your prey.

[skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Crippling Slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Standing Slash[/skill][skill]Riposte[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]Bull's Strike[/skill]

This is the self reliant warrior. Blind me, poison me, or do both at once...it won't stop the train from running you down. This build also excels in AB.

Yet, in other areas of PvP, riposte isn't the best choice, or the most effective.

ThunderinHammerdin · Aug 23, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

I agree with the others, I can only find good use of the two Ripostes in farming methods, but I HAVE had success in low lvl arenas, such as Ascalon and Sunspear.